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WH petition to prevent new TSA pocket knife policy

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hawkeye
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"Before the morning of September 11, 2001, the threat of using commercial aircraft as a weapon was unknown. At great cost, we know better today. The TSA was created because blades on airplanes were used to cause this deadly attack on U.S. soil. There’s no excuse for reversal on the policy to ban knives from the aircraft cabin. Multi-layered security, including prohibition of items that could pose a threat, ensures U.S. aviation is the safest in the world. The ban on dangerous objects is an integral layer in aviation security. Flight Attendants serve as the last line of defense in aviation security - responsible for ensuring the safety, health and security of the passengers in our care. Join us in keeping our aircraft cabin safe. TELL THE TSA TO KEEP KNIVES OUT OF THE CABIN." https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/keep-knives-plane-block-transportation-security-administration-policy-decision-accept-pre-911/SSzf8wmd Please sign this petition & share it with your friends, thank you
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hawkeye
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"Several 9/11 hijackers purchase multi-use tools and small knives that “may actually have been used in the attacks.” according to the 9/11 Commission. [9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 248-249] On July 8, Flight 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta buys two Victorinox Swiss Army knives at Zurich Airport, Switzerland, while on his way to Spain (see July 8-19, 2001)." "Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told interrogators that the hijackers each used "a Swiss knife," a brand of pocketknife, to butcher a sheep and a camel as part of their training. The transcript of the 2003 interrogation was part of the 9/11 Commission Report." ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ New TSA pocket knife policy will allow the same type of Swiss Army knife known to have been purchased by 9/11 terrorist Mohamed Atta in the months before the Sept. 11th attacks, please sign the petition linked in this thread &/or contact your congressional leaders to prevent this new policy
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Dr. Spatic
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I think 911 was able to happen because people were operating under a different set of rules with hijackers. The old rules said just be cool, don't bring attention to yourself. Let the negotiators do their job. Wrong. That won't ever happen again. Let some idiot pull a knife on a plane now and see what the passengers do. We are going to pull out our knives and its on.
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hawkeye
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Dr. Spatic wrote:
I think 911 was able to happen because people were operating under a different set of rules with hijackers. The old rules said just be cool, don't bring attention to yourself. Let the negotiators do their job. Wrong. That won't ever happen again. Let some idiot pull a knife on a plane now and see what the passengers do. We are going to pull out our knives and its on.
You know, you've got a good point. While the Sept. 11th hijackers relied on the shock & awe effect ( combined with bomb threats ) to gain control of the planes, ultimately the passengers of Flight 93 did fight back after they heard the reports of what happened to the other flights, obviously they figured fighting back was their only chance. But, I'm still opposed to this new policy, just on the principle of the thing, & while I may be wrong, I don't think the TSA will go thru with it in the end, the pressure from folks against it is pretty strong, we'll have to wait and see.
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Dr. Spatic
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hawkeye wrote:
You know, you've got a good point. While the Sept. 11th hijackers relied on the shock & awe effect ( combined with bomb threats ) to gain control of the planes, ultimately the passengers of Flight 93 did fight back after they heard the reports of what happened to the other flights, obviously they figured fighting back was their only chance. But, I'm still opposed to this new policy, just on the principle of the thing, & while I may be wrong, I don't think the TSA will go thru with it in the end, the pressure from folks against it is pretty strong, we'll have to wait and see.
Yep, the pressure should be enough. They are trying to accommodate the masses. If the masses are against this accommodation, then there is no reason for them to proceed.
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hawkeye
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Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. government will temporarily delay a controversial rule that would again permit passengers to carry small knives on commercial flights three days before it was due to take effect. http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/travel/tsa-knives-planes/
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There is the idea that anyone believing they need a basic pocket knife in their travel kit - my gosh there are plenty of reasons to have such items for proper use for real people doing normal good things in this life. Its simple enough to pick up at one's destination, but its still rather lame because yes -- such items are useful and can be just as helpful at responding to evil holding such useful items. Hawkeye touched upon the real need that the entire nation could benefit from though? A strong American heart - both men and women - who need to drop the pacifier weak attitudes as we have all witnessed the positives that come from such strength when good people employ it for the sake of defense. It would also greatly help if we moved away from this New Age, New Normal movement of - forgive me for stating it - in rawest fashion... the "pussification" of America especially our MEN. We could indeed start showing the entire world something on news media of COURAGE instead of wallowing ourselves to darn near death out on the public square. Are we American men and women - or a bunch of idiots? And just why is it that NOBODY seems to focus on the fact that evil plays itself - hunts and seeks to take aim - upon any group of people unarmed, unprepared and unwilling to fully respond to them in like fashion wherever they dare pop up to do great harm to innocent people? What do terrorists seek out? Unsuspecting, unarmed, anyone appearing WEAK enough to be easily used, abused and mutilated - and then that evil seeks to get their jollies watching the same weaknesses and FEAR reduce all to puddles of tears and fears across ALL NEWS and PUBLIC SQUARES. Do disrupt and foul what is decent and good. We can remove all the weapons and nail all the good people and things down and find ourselves only at the mercy of such tyrannical evil. Or we can stand up and show strength and courage. Daggone it - which is it going to be? It is the evil that wants us to lay down our freedom and liberty and rights to bear arms with a willingness to USE THAT properly. It is time we stand properly as not just Americans, but just finally seeing that it is GOOD to STAND willingly and courageously. UNITED. So pocket knife or none.... evil will find its way and what is the ultimate response to thwart that? Courage and purposed resolve to meet it head on WITHOUT the tears or apologies. Can we cut out the pitiful shows which only emboldens the enemy please? Terrorists on jets are not going to feel their freedom/liberty to maim/kill unless they KNOW most likely everyone will rip them up before they do their deeds. I am sick of the very liberally WEAKNESSES we are attempting to overcome this enemy with. Yet love them enough to continually to reach out evenso where possible. That is the answer. Not these petty little nothings everyone is nailing themselves down with to fake a little peace and safety that will NOT ever come in this fashion. What Americans are doing en masse really? It is stupid.
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ltp
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Until it is not possible for someone to smuggle a plane killing bomb up the butt undetected, we are just fooling ourselves with this fake feel good TSA screening. If you ended TSA tomorrow, nothing would change. TSA has never caught a terrorist and probably never will. They only catch test items a small percentage of the time so there is a good chance that a terrorist could walk on a plane with anything that they desire without getting stopped. TSA is a facade and not even a clever one.
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omahabch
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ltp wrote:
Until it is not possible for someone to smuggle a plane killing bomb up the butt undetected, we are just fooling ourselves with this fake feel good TSA screening. If you ended TSA tomorrow, nothing would change. TSA has never caught a terrorist and probably never will. They only catch test items a small percentage of the time so there is a good chance that a terrorist could walk on a plane with anything that they desire without getting stopped. TSA is a facade and not even a clever one.
. . . had a frontal exam huh? LOL i dont know, a pressurized plane is different.
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levvy
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We learned it the hard way, this is true. We also learned that owning a gun could save our lives and the lives of the others. We should see this side of things too. It's one of the reasons why I own a Mossberg. Does that make me dangerous?
PittCountyPride
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levvy wrote:
We learned it the hard way, this is true. We also learned that owning a gun could save our lives and the lives of the others. We should see this side of things too. It's one of the reasons why I own a Mossberg. Does that make me dangerous?
Owning and knowing how to use a Mossberg does make you dangerous........ to rapists, thugs, burglars and, of course, tyrants.......
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